Recently we wrote that "Communism cannot work if its leaders are atheists.
"Communism in China has failed because China's leaders have usually been criminal gangsters with no religious faith."
CHINA'S DECLINE
My definition of an 'atheist' is someone who does not believe in life after death, or karma, or reincarnation, or the spirit world, or the idea that consciousness can exist without the brain, or the idea that the 'divine' requires us to love everyone as our brother.
My definition of a 'communist' is someone who believes that innevitably we will all end up living in a society where everyone shares wealth, and there will be no 'rich' and no 'poor'.
We will never all agree about definitions.
To a Catholic in Malta, Allah is almighty God.
To a farmer in Skye, a coup is a hairy four-legged creature with horns.
We will never all agree about definitions.
To a Catholic in Malta, Allah is almighty God.
To a farmer in Skye, a coup is a hairy four-legged creature with horns.
Anonymous wrote:
"And if its leaders are religious, it can work?"
Anonymous wrote:
I'm not in the slightest bit religious, but I might become a Buddhist and retreat from it all.
We are driven to always want more... Being dissatisfied is to be in constant pain.
Aangirfan says, 'with all due humility': Buddhism is a religion that has had a beneficial effect on many communities in Asia.
Anonymous writes:
I had no idea that the Aangirfan folk might be religious.
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"And if its leaders are religious, it can work?"
Aangirfan says that: If Mau had been a saintly character, believing in some kind of 'divinity that shapes our ends', and believing that we have duty to try to make everyone happy, there would have been no holocaust in China.
Anonymous wrote:
I'm not in the slightest bit religious, but I might become a Buddhist and retreat from it all.
We are driven to always want more... Being dissatisfied is to be in constant pain.
Aangirfan says, 'with all due humility': Buddhism is a religion that has had a beneficial effect on many communities in Asia.
We have visited villages in Asia where everyone shares and everyone smiles.
Of course, not all so-called 'Buddhists' actually follow the teachings of Buddhism, and so you get some 'bad' Buddhists.
Of course, not all so-called 'Buddhists' actually follow the teachings of Buddhism, and so you get some 'bad' Buddhists.
Anonymous writes:
I had no idea that the Aangirfan folk might be religious.
They always strike as very rational people, like me.
I have a very scientific rational mind, which tends to make me a liberal.
I joined an evangelical Christian church once...
I joined an evangelical Christian church once...
When I thought about it, believing in God was utterly mad.
How could God, a man so they said, live in eternity?
If there is no beginning, then a point in time could never occur when God would decided to create the world.
And why did God want people to love him, because living in eternity must have meant he needed nothing, because that was all there ever was...?
Perhaps starting up a World full of wars, with lots of sin, and with lots of misery, made things a bit more exciting for him?
Aangirfan says: We are not fundamentalist, and so we reject such things as atheism, and, the religions of ancient Iraq and Iran on which the Old Testament is based.
Aangirfan says: We are not fundamentalist, and so we reject such things as atheism, and, the religions of ancient Iraq and Iran on which the Old Testament is based.
We are happy to believe in the possibility of life after death, karma, reincarnation, the spirit world, and the idea that consciousness can exist without the brain.
'There are more things in heaven and earth than this world dreams of.'
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Anonymous writes:
I wrote the above comment.
I'm an atheist but I'm keen on mindfulness, and some elements of Buddhism.
I think Aangirfan's point ... is that if we are just material creatures, then things could become nothing more than just about consumption...
With empathy and a spiritual side, there is much more to our world than status.
When I was young, the world was a magical beautiful place.
When I was young, the world was a magical beautiful place.
The stars, the moon, the Sun, the seaside, the foggy weather, the rain (I loved the rain and fog), the beautiful early mornings, the fabulous sunsets.
No amount of possessions or status was going to make me happier than that.
The monsters that rule this world have no contact with their humanity...
The monsters that rule this world have no contact with their humanity...
It is about is self gratification and status.
I think this is what Aangirfan meant - that we go nowhere without enlightenment, forgiveness, love, empathy, and compassion.
Then the Chinese leaders would be building things that really enhance people's lives. A society that is long lasting, is safe for our children and their children, and brings fulfilment and happiness...
But THAT is the problem, not atheism.
Are you suggesting we need to be Christians (maybe Muslims) to run an ethical shop?
But it's not true.
Judaism is a major religion, but the worship of Mammon has always been present.
So you note Jews of Asia.
Weber wrote of the protestant ethic and capitalism, now a reeking cesspool of worker exploitation and theft.
Calvin noted that the predestined elect were the rich people and the poor were going to Hell. Nice.
It's not religion; it's ethics.
As in the Golden Rule, which all countries have in some form, but always ignored when convenient - which is always.
Aangirfan says: A good-hearted atheist is more likely to run an 'ethical shop' than a misguided and unenlightened Christian.
However, the biggest holocausts do seem to occur when you have leaders such as Mau, Stalin, Hitler, George W Bush and Obama, who I assume have all been atheists.
The religious leaders who have promoted wars are 'atheist' in the sense that they do not follow the idea that the 'divine' requires us to love everyone as our brother.
CanSpeccy writes:
The basic Chinese ethical system is Confusianism, rather than one based on belief in a deity.
There seems no obvious contradiction between Communism and Confusian ethics.
Moreover, it is not obvious that Confusianism is inferior to say Roman Catholicism as a basis for a good society.
Therefore, I cannot see why atheistic Communism is necessarily worse than any other political system.
Of course a political system can be horrendous, whatever it's supposed ethical basis, and Communism, as under Lenin, Stalin and Mao, has generally turned out badly.
But so has American capitalism under the leadership of supposed Christians such as George W. Bush.
Aangirfan says: My definition of a 'communist' is someone who believes that innevitably we will all end up living in a society where everyone shares wealth, and there will be no 'rich' and no 'poor'.
China failed to become Communist.
The Taoists might say that there is always Yin and Yang.
Laozi said:
"When goodness is lost, it is replaced by morality."
Aangirfan says: A good-hearted atheist is more likely to run an 'ethical shop' than a misguided and unenlightened Christian.
However, the biggest holocausts do seem to occur when you have leaders such as Mau, Stalin, Hitler, George W Bush and Obama, who I assume have all been atheists.
The religious leaders who have promoted wars are 'atheist' in the sense that they do not follow the idea that the 'divine' requires us to love everyone as our brother.
CanSpeccy writes:
The basic Chinese ethical system is Confusianism, rather than one based on belief in a deity.
There seems no obvious contradiction between Communism and Confusian ethics.
Moreover, it is not obvious that Confusianism is inferior to say Roman Catholicism as a basis for a good society.
Therefore, I cannot see why atheistic Communism is necessarily worse than any other political system.
Of course a political system can be horrendous, whatever it's supposed ethical basis, and Communism, as under Lenin, Stalin and Mao, has generally turned out badly.
But so has American capitalism under the leadership of supposed Christians such as George W. Bush.
Aangirfan says: My definition of a 'communist' is someone who believes that innevitably we will all end up living in a society where everyone shares wealth, and there will be no 'rich' and no 'poor'.
China failed to become Communist.
The Taoists might say that there is always Yin and Yang.
Laozi said:
"When goodness is lost, it is replaced by morality."
The advantage of Taoism is that it teaches us to avoid extremes.
Anonymous writes:
Stalin starved to death 10 million Russians, most of them Ukrainians. And in Maoist China something similar happed. But Churchill phosper bombed hundreds of German cities ... And the US dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan.
Churchill apparently starved millions of Indians to death when he took away their food to feed the British army. And Hitler did the same to the Polish to feed his army. And Stalin did this to the Ukrainians to feed his army.
There are no good guys here.
They are all psychopathic scum.
The sleeping kid does have a family. They are working on the nearby building site.
No More Myths writes:
Behind Communism, circa 1953, by Frank L. Britton, with special 1994 update by Lawrence Patterson
"Any deep down discussion of Communism and Marxism involves the Jewish question.
"We cannot honestly discuss the subject without revealing - and commenting on - the fact that the founders of Russian Communism were Jewish.
[1953] Behind Communism by Frank L. Britton - Whale...
A note about Mao: He was picked up to play puppet leader with resourced funneled through Yale University (whose symbol has Hebrew on it), in a Skull and Bones type scheme. The location was Yali Highschool in Changsha, Hunan Province - a branch of Yale. Mao was a disturbed young man - a completely controllable, blackmailable puppet for their purposes.
Jewish Faces in the Chinese Government.
No More Myths writes:
Arnold Leese: THE JEWISH ROTTING OF CHINA. Posted on December 5, 2013 by horse237
"The seeds of Bolshevism were planted in China by Jews, who also tended and trained the growth that resulted.
"The corruption of the regime of Chiang Kai‑Shek caused many of the masses in China to turn to Communism for relief, since Chinese Communism is mixed with Nationalism and discourages the old Chinese curse of official corruption; but Communism in China has the same dehumanising effect on the people as it has elsewhere.
THE JEWISH ROTTING OF CHINA.
"It was the Sassoon family which turned the normal Chinese dislike and distrust of foreigners into hatred.
"David Sassoon made the Opium Trade in China from 1832 until he died in 1864. His family carried on the Trade under our Flag and made huge fortunes.
"The British took the blame, and now the Chinese loathe us; just as we took the blame for the Jewish atrocities at Nuremberg, Spandau and elsewhere in Germany, so that the Germans now hate us.
"Backed by the Sassoons, the Shanghai Opium Monopoly existed until 1917 under the Jew Edward Ezra, its Managing Committee being composed entirely of Jews and Indians.
"Not only did the British Flag protect the Sassoons in this abominable trade which the Manchus did all they could to prevent, even to the extent of war, but also these Jews were welcomed in England instead of being ostracised. Royalty petted them and they intermarried with Aryan aristocrats. Some became Baronets and one a Minister of the Government.
"When the Freemason, Sun Yat‑Sen, began his revolutionary movement at Canton, the Jew Morris Cohen, a British subject, became his aide‑de‑camp and was sent by Sun around the globe to get military experts for his revolutionary army.
Anonymous writes:
Stalin starved to death 10 million Russians, most of them Ukrainians. And in Maoist China something similar happed. But Churchill phosper bombed hundreds of German cities ... And the US dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan.
Churchill apparently starved millions of Indians to death when he took away their food to feed the British army. And Hitler did the same to the Polish to feed his army. And Stalin did this to the Ukrainians to feed his army.
There are no good guys here.
They are all psychopathic scum.
The sleeping kid does have a family. They are working on the nearby building site.
No More Myths writes:
Behind Communism, circa 1953, by Frank L. Britton, with special 1994 update by Lawrence Patterson
"Any deep down discussion of Communism and Marxism involves the Jewish question.
"We cannot honestly discuss the subject without revealing - and commenting on - the fact that the founders of Russian Communism were Jewish.
[1953] Behind Communism by Frank L. Britton - Whale...
A note about Mao: He was picked up to play puppet leader with resourced funneled through Yale University (whose symbol has Hebrew on it), in a Skull and Bones type scheme. The location was Yali Highschool in Changsha, Hunan Province - a branch of Yale. Mao was a disturbed young man - a completely controllable, blackmailable puppet for their purposes.
Jewish Faces in the Chinese Government.
No More Myths writes:
Arnold Leese: THE JEWISH ROTTING OF CHINA. Posted on December 5, 2013 by horse237
"The seeds of Bolshevism were planted in China by Jews, who also tended and trained the growth that resulted.
"The corruption of the regime of Chiang Kai‑Shek caused many of the masses in China to turn to Communism for relief, since Chinese Communism is mixed with Nationalism and discourages the old Chinese curse of official corruption; but Communism in China has the same dehumanising effect on the people as it has elsewhere.
THE JEWISH ROTTING OF CHINA.
"It was the Sassoon family which turned the normal Chinese dislike and distrust of foreigners into hatred.
"David Sassoon made the Opium Trade in China from 1832 until he died in 1864. His family carried on the Trade under our Flag and made huge fortunes.
"The British took the blame, and now the Chinese loathe us; just as we took the blame for the Jewish atrocities at Nuremberg, Spandau and elsewhere in Germany, so that the Germans now hate us.
"Backed by the Sassoons, the Shanghai Opium Monopoly existed until 1917 under the Jew Edward Ezra, its Managing Committee being composed entirely of Jews and Indians.
"Not only did the British Flag protect the Sassoons in this abominable trade which the Manchus did all they could to prevent, even to the extent of war, but also these Jews were welcomed in England instead of being ostracised. Royalty petted them and they intermarried with Aryan aristocrats. Some became Baronets and one a Minister of the Government.
"When the Freemason, Sun Yat‑Sen, began his revolutionary movement at Canton, the Jew Morris Cohen, a British subject, became his aide‑de‑camp and was sent by Sun around the globe to get military experts for his revolutionary army.
"On Sun Yat‑Sen’s death bed this Jew was commended to Chiang Kai‑Shek and he was employed as liaison officer between the Canton Government and all foreign Consulates‑General.
"Cohen became known in China as Moi‑Sha, and was made Military Counsellor to the Cantonese Forces, and a General, although still a British subject."
Continues: Arnold Leese: THE JEWISH ROTTING OF CHINA.
Gracie writes:
I think Communism and every other "ism" works the way it is supposed to, the way its been designed to work by the the psychopaths in charge.
And I think they do have a religion which is Themselves, Power, and Mammon.
Most politicians at the top fit this category, with the exceptions at this time being some of the Latin American leaders.
Unfortunately, these good leaders are too often deposed by psychopathic leaders from stronger countries.
A Tale of Politicians & Psychopaths - Politicians are like psychopaths?
...Jim Kouri, vice president of the National Assn. of Chiefs of Police, has assembled a group of traits that define psychopathic personalities - like serial killers - and has discovered that these trait also apply to many of today's politicians.
Traits such as superficial charm, an exaggerated sense of self-worth, glibness, lying, lack of remorse, manipulation of others, and sexual obsession are the hallmark of both groups.
Kouri notes that these types of psychopaths are psychologically capable of committing their dirty deeds free of any concern for social, moral or legal consequences and with absolutely no remorse, save getting caught.
"While many political leaders will deny the assessment regarding their similarities with serial killers and other career criminals, it is part of a psychopathic profile that may be used in assessing the behaviors of many officials and lawmakers at all levels of government."...
Are Politicians Psychopaths? More Often Than You Might Imagine, Says NY Times Bestselling Expert
Are Politicians Psychopaths? More Often Than You Might Imagine... .
Anonymous writes:
China is the world's most ancient civilization. It has gone into decline many times, but it never learned from its declines and always followed the same mistakes. At the start civilization would come out of primitive state and this would be the golden age, where a large middleclass would develop. Women would get more rights and people would get good education. Businesses would prosper.
Then a mega rich would emerge and gain too much power over the government or the Chinese rulers. They would then shift all the tax burdon onto the middle classes, as well as use their monopoly power to bring wages down and increase prices. Corruption would be rife destroying all the hard work that ordinary people have put in . Then the economy would suffer and the Chinese civilization would go into decline. Eventually there would be a revolution and the rich would get executed, their vast amassed fortunes could not save them.
A primitive China would then come about but out of that a new civilization would begin to emerge, and a new benign ruler would come to power who will be good for the Chinese society and then a new middleclass would emerge again and the whole thing would start all over once more..
It sounds like what is happening to the West right now, and the exceptionally greedy rich are unable to stop what will eventually be the loss of everything they have illegally accumulated.
Continues: Arnold Leese: THE JEWISH ROTTING OF CHINA.
Gracie writes:
I think Communism and every other "ism" works the way it is supposed to, the way its been designed to work by the the psychopaths in charge.
And I think they do have a religion which is Themselves, Power, and Mammon.
Most politicians at the top fit this category, with the exceptions at this time being some of the Latin American leaders.
Unfortunately, these good leaders are too often deposed by psychopathic leaders from stronger countries.
A Tale of Politicians & Psychopaths - Politicians are like psychopaths?
...Jim Kouri, vice president of the National Assn. of Chiefs of Police, has assembled a group of traits that define psychopathic personalities - like serial killers - and has discovered that these trait also apply to many of today's politicians.
Traits such as superficial charm, an exaggerated sense of self-worth, glibness, lying, lack of remorse, manipulation of others, and sexual obsession are the hallmark of both groups.
Kouri notes that these types of psychopaths are psychologically capable of committing their dirty deeds free of any concern for social, moral or legal consequences and with absolutely no remorse, save getting caught.
"While many political leaders will deny the assessment regarding their similarities with serial killers and other career criminals, it is part of a psychopathic profile that may be used in assessing the behaviors of many officials and lawmakers at all levels of government."...
Are Politicians Psychopaths? More Often Than You Might Imagine, Says NY Times Bestselling Expert
Are Politicians Psychopaths? More Often Than You Might Imagine... .
Anonymous writes:
China is the world's most ancient civilization. It has gone into decline many times, but it never learned from its declines and always followed the same mistakes. At the start civilization would come out of primitive state and this would be the golden age, where a large middleclass would develop. Women would get more rights and people would get good education. Businesses would prosper.
Then a mega rich would emerge and gain too much power over the government or the Chinese rulers. They would then shift all the tax burdon onto the middle classes, as well as use their monopoly power to bring wages down and increase prices. Corruption would be rife destroying all the hard work that ordinary people have put in . Then the economy would suffer and the Chinese civilization would go into decline. Eventually there would be a revolution and the rich would get executed, their vast amassed fortunes could not save them.
A primitive China would then come about but out of that a new civilization would begin to emerge, and a new benign ruler would come to power who will be good for the Chinese society and then a new middleclass would emerge again and the whole thing would start all over once more..
It sounds like what is happening to the West right now, and the exceptionally greedy rich are unable to stop what will eventually be the loss of everything they have illegally accumulated.
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